Our spirituality series is proving to be powerful.
So powerful, in fact, it crashed our entire email system. If you are one of the many people waiting for your registration confirmation, don’t worry. We are up and running and will make sure that every single one of you who wants to see this series gets taken care of.
But right now I want to take a moment to thank you for being part of our community. We would not have been able to launch this new series without your support, enthusiasm, and commitment.
So much of our hearts and souls – and staff time and energy – has gone into creating and launching this new Spirituality in Healing series. We were thrilled when thousands of people from 48 countries tuned in Wednesday night to hear Joan Borysenko launch us on this fascinating journey together.
If you’d like to see the full list of countries represented on the webinar, just click here. If you’d like to see how many people tuned in from each state, click here.
That felt great for us as a team, but it also made me feel personally inspired because I truly believe that this series can help us reach out to the people we serve in a profound manner.
This is why we have a gift for you.
In looking over the comment board – and thanks for all that positive feedback – we noticed a lot of posts thanking us for Joan’s explanation of the liminal phase between “no longer” and “not yet”.
This turned out to be so valuable that we’d like to make that part of the webinar available to you as a gift, so you can watch it again or catch up with the rest of us if you missed it.
In this video, Joan talks about a very different kind of crash – a head-on collision – and how it gave her insight into what the liminal stage is really all about. Here it is so you can see for yourself:
Each week, we’ll keep bringing you inspiring webinars with more of the world’s top experts like Ram Dass and Caroline Myss. This week we’ll be hearing from Rachel Naomi Remen, MD on “Recapturing the Soul of Medicine.”
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Why do you think the concept of “no longer. . .not yet” resonates deeply with so many people? Please leave a comment below.
I think “NL, NY” resonates with so many people because people cling to permanence and fear change. Raising children gives so many opportunities to understand the patience needed during the liminal phases of life. From infancy to adulthood, we constantly find ourselves clinging to what is or what was and fearing what will be or what could or should be. It is ultimately the effort in learning to be aware of Who We Are and What We Want/Need that brings about a final comfort in accepting the phases of NL-NY. Once we can use our ability to be aware of and to practice accepting the present and to be comfortable in the present, to not fear change, to let go of the past, to acknowledge and accept Who We Are and What We Need/Want/Desire – then we can be more patient – we can evolve. Much of our modern culture is at odds with this, and reinforces fear of change and insecurity about who we are and what we desire. There is a great demand and attachment to What Is – not to Change. Employers/Schools/Families/Banks want resumes to show a clear path – a decided long term major – a future plan that all remains predictable and steady – that shows there is little change. Too much change is seen as unstable. Hovering parents want their children to make similar or familiar decisions to how they have lived their lives and become anxious when they have children who deviate. Yet if we really look at how lives progress from birth – there is nothing but change and evolution – and we don’t really fear that as it happens. We expect a toddler to learn to walk, we expect a pre-schooler to go to school, we expect a teenager to rebel against his parents, we hope a young adult will leave home. And yet that’s where it ends?
I so appreciate you offering this wonderful series, and would like to reiterate what several others have said- Is there a way to get a replay of seminars missed? The time available in my time zone is almost impossible to attend, (2pm), and I feel I have missed some incredible information and inspiration.
Thank you so much for providing this invaluable service- and please consider sending a link to the webinars to those of us who are unable to attend “live”.
Blessings,
Lisa
The presentation was wonderful. I can definitely use this information in my counseling practice.
Thanks soo much for making it possible for me to watch this session – Joan has got a brilliant way of delivering any info, and her gentle voice t/w the energy which came across from her made her content even more powerful. I loved her title esp. as it summed up where I currently find myself and was indeed discussing this very issue (ie patience t/w with realism etc) with a friend that morning.
Also found her emphasis on forgiveness very interesting and reminded me of an incident I heard of a few years ago where someone was taking a seminar in Israel, and there’s usually a “live demo” at the front of the room (in order to allay any fears of other partipants) – it’s also believed that the person asked “holds” one of the main issues in that room. Anyway, (perhaps not surprisingly) issues around the holocaust came up and, after emptying out all the pain etc, (using a type of Gestalt) this person actually felt able to forgive Hitler’s soul (obviously not his actions!). This then opened up the possibility for many in that room to do the same, (which they did!). A year later, many from that group later attended a more advanced course which was being held in Germany – and the upshot was huge forgiveness flowing between all nationalities.
As someone who comes from the Uk, given that these seminars are soo good I’d really like to echo those above who’ve asked if they could be left on for 24 hrs.
Thanks for offering them to us Ruth.
“no longer ,not yet, resonates wit people because we all struggle with the need to control. We need to know where we are going, there is safety in knowing where we are going, what we will be doing. I speak with great expereince, as five years ago I moved across the pond as I call it to the USA to facilitate an extroadinary life change that has now in these last two months seen e move back to Australia. All the while asking myself what am I doing, where am I going, what is my path? My book ” When I learned to Dance with Life” resonates with those who read it because it chronicles the journey in a series of quotes, like “When I Learned To Dance With Life I realized I dometimes watched from a distance what was going on a round me, what I called detachment was just me processing….letting go and being in that still space is the gap between, no longer..not yet..
As usual I am very impressed with yet another of your series . . . but like many find that it is pointless to enrol. Where I live it takes place in the early hours of the day when we are just waking up, dragging ourselves into the shower, and getting ready for the day ahead. I enrolled in another series and sadly missed it all. I would love to be able to see these webinars and I would also value the opportunity to pay to have an assessment of my learning for professional development purposes once I have seen them all. I too want to be able to assess the quality before I add a course to my ongoing professional development resume.
The need for. quality on-going professional development using accredited programs such as those you run is massive. I think you know that very well but have yet to really grasp the nettle. The marketing of each series also seems to be limited. Once recorded and written up, you have an amazing marketing opportunity that people might sample and them, if and when they can afford it, actually buy for their ongoing personal development. Some things bear listening to over and over again . . . like fine music and each time the listener may gain new insight or resonance with the material presented.
It would be an outstanding outcome if you could continue to offer the series as a set, as you currently do, and as a professional development/accreditation tool as you do, while also adding a longer period for people to actually connect with or catch up with each session at a time that respects their individual realities – may I suggest the entire week . . . and if you offered the development/accreditation assessment at any time for people who have seen the entire series and are able to do the assessment. This second way of doing assessment would of course need to cover your costs and so on.
With great respect, I think you could think a little more about the disincentive that occurs when people, even if they have enrolled as I once did, miss some of the series and can’t quickly catch up. You tend to not bother as you find yourself unintentionally out of the wider loop of which you wanted to be a part when you enrolled.
At a time when e-learning is really only in its infancy you have real opportunities to grasp the nettle and become an even more innovative player than you already are.
Dare I say . . . it’s as if you are in a “no longer, but not yet” moment, where you have moved on from a restricted model of teaching and learning but have not yet embraced the enormity of what you might offer practitioners around the globe. I would certainly seek endorsement from my professional body here in Australia if I knew I could actually use your services in a realistic way at a realistic cost.
I hope I have not sounded unfair or too off topic. But when so many people have mentioned their inability to use what you offer, and perhaps it’s because spitiruality is such a widely regarded area of study, I honestly think it is perhaps an appropriate place for such a call to further innovative action for NICABM.
I think “no longer… not yet” resonates deeply with so many people bacause for me there is an inner stirring within that knows that I/we cannot keep creating the same thing over and over. Something is changing, it’s like we are being drawn into it whether we like it or not. We can act out our drama in anyway we want but my body feels and knows I have to make changes or I will destruct myself. Nutritional changes, exercise, to change my habits, to release my emotions. Communication is huge. I am learning how to be expressive and share my emotions. I can not turn my back on things that are not working anymore. New Paradigm provides an opportunity to change and do things differently.
This is an exciting series and webinars are offering a new way to actually hear experienced speakers without cost of travel etc!
I recommended these to several and am aware of 2 who booked in but did not manage either the time (10pm in UK which is great for me!) or got lost in the computer en route! As there is such interest I too add another voice to the 24 hour plea, and those who can afford to pay will still receive more flexibility….and assist the wonderful intent to extend access to the challenging material you are gathering and offering to so many
Thank you again
Sheelagh Montgomery
” No Longer….but not yet” was one of the most powerful statements I have heard in a very long time. I understand the words so completely now. I am done totally with some things yet I know in my soul that what is coming is what is meant to be.
Thank you Ruth and Joan – excellent webinar. I resonate with Janet Levin’s comment on the Tibetan (2nd) bardo as another recognition of the liminal. Also Victor Turner’s and van Gennep’s work on rites de passage and ritual processes fits. Here in NZ we have an indigenous model based on our central Maori ritual – the powhiri poutama – which relates well to this – 7 steps through liminal stage which is also the central ritual of our culture.
Nick in NZ – I’d like to read about powhiri poutama. Would you suggest or send link(s)? janetmexico@gmail.com Thanks so much.
Thank you to Ruth and Joan and colleagues for making this webimar possible. Thank you to everyone for their insights and comments. This is an exciting 3 minute listen for me. Liminal time and space is a familiar place in drama therapy practice and often deliberately created within the session and marked out physically. With its roots deep in ritual – we leave the known to enter not knowing and eventually come to the new place bringing our not knowing wisdom and new self with us. Cf the heroes journey and Hollywood movies themes and most crucially the therapy space which holds all the potential of liminality – a place where we come when it is for us no longer and not yet.
I am grateful to nicabm for the free access and I also add my voice for a 24 hr access as not all can afford to pay especially with exchange rates. And not all can access at the time – its 9am here and so the working day.
Hello, I love the line up of this series! I too would like to add my vote to having the webinar available for 24 hours. Thank you for the gift of the part of Joan Boryshenko’s talk on “no longer…but not yet”
Patience can be so difficult during this time for people, it was great to get that reminder from Joan, that rushing to safety is not the way to evolve and grow.
we keep waiting for things and people who we know will never come back and repenting for things
we could have done but did not do when needed
No longer. . . not yet. Keeping both poles of this paradox in mind enables us to proceed with patience, understanding, and acceptance of what is going or gone. At the same time it holds out hope that what is to come will have its own riches to show us. Great insight from Ms. Borysenko that is helpful to us all.
I, too, am profoundly disappointed that I cannot participate in these lectures. If you could please make them available for 24 hours, I could participate. They occur here in the middle of the afternoon when I’m at work.
I deeply appreciate the work that has gone into this series and the broad spectrum of speakers you have lined up to make such a contribution to humanity. For as each of us experiences new openings, we affect everyone around us. I cannot afford to purchase the series at this time. I work for the government and have not had a raise in 4 years. I’m single, 61, renting, driving a very old car. I’m an hourly worker and thus, cannot take time off in the middle of the afternoon.
Blissings to you and everyone out there!
Bardo is a Tibetan word I learned years ago which is equivalent to Joan’s term “no longer, not yet.”
Looking at Joan’s, I am struck with the power of that comma between the past and the future. For me, the darkness of the liminal state is now alive, in process, aligned to change and I have a changed relationship to that state.
I want to echo other comments requesting 24-hour replay. My retirement income is what it is; crashes happen; and then there are the folks in distant geographies. So much benefit would come of a no-cost
24-hour replay.
Many under 21 and most of us over 21 have been in that liminal space without awareness of what space we’re in. Sometimes we’ve had the patience, resilience to listen for “guidance” and sometimes we haven’t. From each experience of “no longer…not yet” we learn something, often learning the hard way. Joan’s giving that space a name, recognition and validity helps us use that learning experience to help others when they are in that space.
Dear Ones,
Thanks so much to Joan for being clear, wise and human. Her explanations found a quick home and resenated in me. Joan, your compassion is showing. Many many thanks.
With warmth and deep bows,
Renee
I would like to add my voice to those requesting a 24 hr replay. Frequently our speeds vary so much that one misses some salient points. This seems to nnot occur when listening to replays. Your broadcasts are always excellent .
Thank you.
Don
Thanks for the clip. Powerful.
I wonder if some of us human beings get stuck all life (?) or for longer periods in “no longer…but not yet” – if a person experiences life through the lens of fear/anxiety (frozen or running away), denial, bitterness, anger, frustration – stuck in helpless hopelessness without the possibility of “flowing again”. Stuck in “victim mode” instead of “survivor mode”?
Like in the picture of “the waiting room” in “All the places you go” from Dr. Seuss…. where someone is waiting for the phone to ring but the line is cut, and many more examples…
But:
~ “The crack in the broken vessel is where the light shines in….”
Spirituality, the sense of trust that there will/is light again, a kind word at the right time, counseling, … other factors may then help to leave that place of being stuck – if the person can/dares accepting, surrendering to life again?
Thank you!
A beautiful expression of that time in the middle of change when uncertainty can be excruciating. To normalize it as a necessary part of the process gives valuable insight. Makes it possible to muster the patience and trust that our “next stage” will show up in its right time. Thank you, Dr. Borysenko. Thank you, Ruth Buczynski for this interview, this Spirituality & Healing Series, and for the many brain science and mental health series you’ve put together and made accessible to practitioner and the general public. These are gifts to us all.
Hello,
I would like to also request that a 24 hr window is allowed to watch the videos. Crises and things such as time differentials mentioned previously do occur. I registerd for this webinar and was deeply disappointed that I had a pt crisis and could not watch it!! PLEASE consider this option. Since the system crashed, perhaps you’d allow at least this one video to be replayed so that more could benefit from it. From the 3 minute glimpse I got, it looked fantastic. If I could afford to pay for them I truly would; unfortunately I just can’t at this time! Hopefully next time around it’ll be different. Thank you for your hard work and for considering this request.
Sincerely, Cynthia
This clip really resonates with me! I’ve been off work with stress/ burn out for the last 3 months and although I will initially have to return to my old work, I know this is no longer what I want to do, and I am accepting I need to be patient to allow something more ‘me’ to manifest. Thank you for making this clip available as I had been unaware of the sessions until Thursday & missed this one!
With gratitude & love Yvonne
Hello, I agree with Jeanette,
It would be helpful if you would allow access to a replay of the the webinar for 24 hours. I live in Germany. Here it’s 11 p.m. when the webinar starts. Too late for me, since I need to work next day. Please consider this option . Thank you.
I cannot speak for others but my personal experience was like I always felt something was ‘wrong’ with the way I think and live and as a psychology student realized that lot of what a learned in college just don’t resonate with me. For few years I’ve been reading and learning but year ago I consciously started working on myself, listening to online webinars and reading literature which suggested holistic approach to healing and it helped me release lot of my emotional blockages, at times I felt as if my heart was concrete that started cracking and understanding all that it collected through life (my family went through war, living apart, drug addictions, physical and mental diseases). I felt I started moving forward on the inside and knew that on the outside it would take some time to manifest. but 6 months ago I started getting worse to the point that a month and half ago My life fell apart and I felt that I was consumed by darkness, I lost or didn’t see any meaning in activities i was doing and personal relationships that i had, and felt alone and scared and even thought maybe it’s better to give up life alltogether but then it hit me. Of course everything was falling appart.. That was my life built on assumptions that no longer resonated with who I was trying to be. Old was being swept away. In that hopeless night I don’t know how but I saw that as an opportunity, everything I learned consciously in these last years and everything I believed unconsciously my whole life collided, I saw myself at crossroad between sanity and insanity. And at that moment I felt I was reborn and had few things to be grateful for but those we’re things that I saw as a foundation for new, different way of living. I am not now what I was yesterday and I am not now what I shall be tommorow but I’m sure that I’m on the right path feeling like a newborn, making my first baby steps with lot of space in my life to fullfill with people and activities which I know will slowly but surely come into my life and in this ‘in between’ time my biggest challenge is understanding when my auto-pilot takes over and being gentle and kind to myself in the process. Thank You.
Dear Hana,
What a deep, beautiful and authentic expression of a true dark night of the soul & “no longer…not yet. You were fortunate not to linger in the stage of utter despair and meaninglessness even longer.
While part of the power of the phrase is normalization, we best not assume one can always be in a position/ emotional space to, for example, have “the next job lined up”- which is getting pretty close to resolution.
Therapists also need to resonate with the heroic excruciating Hell at the beginning/ middle of deep loss/depression while at the same time, holding a lantern up to the light at the end of the tunnel.
I greatly respect Joan Borysenko’s work, but there are many cultural/religious traditions, and even new age leaders (e.g Eckhart Tolle) who have expressed and offered healing work of equal quality and content.
It would be helpful if you would allow access to a replay of the the webinar for 24 hours. I am not able to view at the times you have posted, and I’m sure others have a similar restriction. Also, for you, there would be less likelihood of the system crashing. Please consider this option.
I am unavailable during the designated time to listen and suggest expanding availability of the lecture for 24 hours.
Yes, I am not able to listen at 5PM either. I am on a commuter train at that time and do not get home til 5:30. Even if I used my cell phone to start on the train. I would only hear 20 minutes if it. Have to drive home after.\Not me to 6 then straight to making dinner.
8 or 9 PM would be so much better for day shift workers.
“No longer… but not yet” is powerfully therapeutic because holds the confirmation that the darkest time is behind , while at the very same time, signifies that the light at the end of the tunnel is not here, but will come.
In my view, it is realistic… but with the emphasis on a kind of floating lightness… and therefore hopeful.
I also think that there is an implicit message ( re Claire Weeks’ work) that is is helpful to enter into a sort of agreement with life to “Let Go… Let Time Pass” -and in this, a learning to “Let Go” of the burden of the human desire to control experience.
“No longer… but not yet” is powerfully therapeutic because it holds the confirmation that the darkest time is behind , while, signifying the light at the end of the tunnel is not here, but will come.
In my view, it is realistic… but with the emphasis on a kind of floating lightness… and therefore hopeful.
I also think that there is an implicit message ( re Claire Weeks’ work on anxiety/depression) that is is helpful to enter into a sort of agreement with life to “Let Go… Let Time Pass”
-and with this, a learning to “Let Go” of the burden of the human desire to control experience.